Episode 33: Do you really need a personal trainer after Bariatric surgery?

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Hey, Steph. Hey, Hannah. How's it going? Good.

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How are you? Just fabulous. Welcome back to another

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episode of Bariatric Banter Podcast. Ah, I love

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it. I feel like they're flying by. Yeah, like

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honestly, like blink of an eye flying by. And

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my... pre -birthday podcast recording, which

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is exciting. The podcast is almost as old as

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me now. Oh, my gosh. Almost. We're almost. Almost.

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That's funny. Yeah, that's weird. I love that.

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But no, it's like they're flying by. They're

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great. We debate a lot about what we want to

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do with the podcast. We want to move by. We do

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like, what are we going to talk about? And, you

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know, I think we've kind of landed on guys that.

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We're just going to keep talking about topics

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that maybe we've covered, but we're going to

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debate them. We're going to bring new perspective.

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Maybe we've changed our mind. But I think the

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value is that people just like listening to us

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literally talk about life. Yeah. Yeah. What I

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think the struggle. Yeah. The key thing is, I

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think people might think, too, that like we are

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the same and we are in some areas. But Hannah

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and I disagree on a lot of things. And that's

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OK. And we were we were just saying like. it's

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okay to have different opinions than somebody

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else. Everybody's journey in this is different.

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Everybody's reasons are different. Everybody's

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thoughts are different. What works for people

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is different. Everybody is their own unique individual.

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And I think it's important to be okay with that

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and celebrate that and to still be able to be

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friends with people who have different opinions

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than you, which is important. But yeah, there's

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lots of times when Hannah and I like message

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each other and be like, I don't know about that.

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I don't know about that. Yeah. So I think we'll

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have a little debate today. I think so. And like,

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you know what? We call it a debate. But I think

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we're just going to we're going to talk about

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things and see if we agree or disagree. And then

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I think some other things that we're just going

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to start talking about is making these more conversational

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about life. What's going on this week, Steph?

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And what, you know, how does it relate to bariatric

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surgery? You know, talking about maybe things

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we did on the weekend or grocery challenges or

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like every bariatric surgery is in every part

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of our life, whether we realize it or not. But

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I think it's going to be a lot easier if we just

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recap our bariatric week and talk about maybe

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things we read, what we've seen, what we experienced

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that week. So we've covered the big topics, but

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the big topics only go so far. So we can't. continue

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to have these big giant topics and i think talking

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about like how you manage your day today and

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how when certain things come up like we not for

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today's topic but we had in our house a shit

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of a week last week and so how do you how do

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you deal with life and how do you juggle unexpected

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things happening and being put in unexpected

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situations and still taking care of yourself

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and still looking after your needs um and how

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do you still manage how do you still manage life

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when when shit hits the fan and and stuff happens

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And I think it's great for us to maybe to start

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showing people what life actually looks like

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as a bariatric patient. And we'll still find

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ways to fit those big topics in as they come

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up. For sure. We want an episode on Serena Williams

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and her GLP -1 use. You know, there's other things

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that we'll talk about Christmas and bariatric

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surgery. But I think there's going to be something

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cool with the podcast moving forward where we

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actually just start telling you what a week in

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our life looks like because bariatrics always

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there. You had a really stressful throw you off

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your schedule week. I'm going into the office

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for two days this week and I'm preparing food.

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And I've made a joke with my colleagues about

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like, I'm coming with a lunch can. I'm going

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to have food with me. Don't look fun of me. I'm

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bringing pickles. Get used to it. But like, yeah.

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Oh, and I mean, I'm not going to announce, announce

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it yet, but like there's been some health updates,

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not in a bad way. And as it relates to bariatric

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surgery and, you know, I will be starting a new

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medication soon, which we will cover and I will

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talk about, and I'm sure you can guess what it

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is, but you know, little things like that, where

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I can just document the journey of what led me

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to this step, you know, perimenopause. She's

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about to be a real bit. Oh God. She is a real

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bitch in my life, let me tell you. She's been

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kicking my ass lately. Man, man, if you, ladies,

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if you have not hit perimenopause yet, buckle

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down because she is kicking my ass right now.

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A whole other topic. A whole other topic. So,

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yeah, stay tuned, guys. We're going to shift

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to a conversational recap of our week. We'll

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still do question and answer periods for you

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and all, but... This is going to be more fun

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for Steph and I as well, where we can just talk

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about our life, which I think a lot of people

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are interested in, like what living like this

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is like. So today's topic, though, is going to

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be a debate. So ding, ding. In this corner, we

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have Steph. And in this corner, we have Hannah.

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And we are going to be debating personal trainers.

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Do you need them or are they a waste of money?

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Specifically, we're going to. Talk not just about

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training, but the first year of surgery. Do you

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need training, gym memberships, a crazy workout

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routine, a whole new home gym? Yes or no. And

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then obviously I have strong feelings about personal

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trainers. So that's going to be a part of it

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where we're going to have a very healthy, friendly,

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banter -filled debate. Because this comes up

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a lot. We get comments. And I know, Steph, you

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get comments. We get comments on the podcast

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and personally. Oh, I want to take up running

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just like you, Hannah. Tell me what you bought

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and like what you're doing. And it's like, yo,

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I waited a year and like a half. And I hate it

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and I love it, but I hate it and it's hard. But

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people ask all the time, like, how do I get signed

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up for that class? And can I start doing this

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and that? So as someone who paid for a lot of

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shit in her first year to now be doing none of

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that shit her second year, I think this is a

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good topic to pick up. And we'll agree on a lot.

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I know where we'll disagree. But here's the...

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I know. I know exactly where we're going to disagree.

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In your first year. Everybody's experiences are

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different, right? So this is why... We always

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say like, do your research. Don't take what you

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see and what you hear as gospel because everybody's

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experiences are different and everybody's past

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journeys and past experiences build on where

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they are today and how they're moving forward.

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So that's my little blurb. So Steph, in the first

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year of bariatric surgery, let's start with this

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one. Do you think, and we might actually agree

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on this, people need to be... investing in gym

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memberships and classes and new equipment and

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like full -on massive exercise programs and regimes?

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Hard pass. No. Worst debate ever. Right? Guys,

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we suck at debating, clearly. Give it time. We're

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just warming up, okay? We're too Canadian. Right?

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Gosh. No, and I have had messages about this.

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No. We've talked about this before, too. Just

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movement. Move your body. We have talked about

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walking on this podcast before and about how

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underrated walking is and how people, just in

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general, people tend to overcomplicate exercise.

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And I had a, I'm not going to call him a trainer,

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but we did like group workouts with him, group

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boot camps. And this was my first experience

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into personal trainers. which we'll get into

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again later. But he used to always say, because

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I, when I started bootcamp with him and the group

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of us that were going, I was by far the most

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out of shape person there. And there would be

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things that I couldn't do. And I remember the

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one time he came up and he put his hand on my

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back and he said, you're fine. And I kind of

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looked at me, he goes, I don't care if you can't

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do the exact movement that I'm. telling you to

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do, just do a movement, just move your body.

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And he said, your body doesn't recognize exercise.

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It recognizes movement. So his big thing was,

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even if you can't do the burpee or whatever it

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is that I'm telling you to do, just, just move,

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just do something. And I think so people overcomplicate

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it. And especially in the first year. You have

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so many other habits you're trying to form and

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things you need to think about and things you

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need to worry about that, yes, you need to, we'll

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say, exercise or we'll say move. But keep it

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simple. If you want to do more, sure. And I've

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had people message me because they'll be like,

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oh, what program are you doing? Where did you

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find this program? The programs that I'm doing,

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I started way before. You were doing a lot of

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exercise before. Like you were trying to do weight

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loss before. Yeah, I was doing workouts every

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day. I was doing programs that were strength

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training that were pretty, I would say pretty

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intense. I was going to the gym. I was doing

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all the things before. So for me to do that within

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the first year wasn't anything new. It wasn't

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adding on another piece to the puzzle. So that's,

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again, everybody's journey is different. That's

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a different situation. started let's say before

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surgery yeah did you start at the cadence that

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you're at now or was it exactly no exactly no

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if you would have told me back then that I would

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have been getting up at 4 45 to work out I would

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have spat my coffee out in your face laughing

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hysterically this hilarious I'm not gonna lie

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I've been slacking on it in the last little while

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but even if you like no baby steps yeah exactly

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but you're like this is a good point that you

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raise you're doing something that was not new

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to you this was a continuation of something that

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you had already invested a lot of time and energy

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into it would be like someone saying oh i i play

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soccer five days a week well you're not just

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going to stop playing soccer because you had

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surgery right or you know i rock climb you will

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probably keep doing that but it's different if

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it was i did nothing and now all of a sudden

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i'm a month post -op and think that i need to

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go start training for the tour de france have

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you ever cycled before no but i should now right

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no the fuck you should not like I don't know

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jumping in balls to the wall is not going to

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do anything except set you up to fail yeah like

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that's all it's going to do because it's not

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going to be sustainable you're going to hate

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it you're not going to be able to do it you're

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going to get frustrated and you're going to say

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screw this and you're going to fail there's not

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like a magic moment where you wake up like a

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week after bariatric surgery and you're like

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oh my god guys I fucking love working out like

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I knew I still hate it today going I don't want

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to fucking do this. I don't want to go for a

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run or get out there. I hate working out. But

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I agree with you. I also fall into the camp of

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in your first year, you do not need to invest

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in a gym membership, hardcore classes, a ton

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of exercise equipment, a crazy workout routine.

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You don't need to be training for a marathon.

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You don't need to start taking up like a 50K

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spinning. You don't need to be doing body pump

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seven days a week. whoa you just need to move

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in my first year get a good pair of shoes and

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walk yeah get a good pair of shoes now don't

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go out and buy like fucking hoka marathon training

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like i see so many people and like did i buy

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hokas when i started running sure did sure did

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hypocrite over here but in my first year when

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i was walking i bought pumas that were on sale

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and then under armor from costco like It can

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be fun. And I know I'm contradicting myself because

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I said it's kind of fun to buy the stuff and

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get excited and start doing it. Get a good pair

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of shoes, but you don't need to break the bank.

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And you don't need something insanely overpriced.

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It won't actually make you better. But get something

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that excites you, is reasonably priced, because

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you're going to wear a hole through them with

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all the walking you're about to do. But in my

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first year, I paid for Movadi, which in Canada

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is like the bougie expensive. It's not cheap.

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It's not because I was like, you know, new me.

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new life and then I paid for Pilates on top of

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that I had a personal trainer which we will get

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to on top of that and I was convinced that I

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needed to be at the gym every single day and

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then walk 5k a day and see my personal trainer

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two days a week and like this was how I was going

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to lose all the weight in my first year and the

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truth was if I didn't do a single fucking thing

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but walk around my block for 30 minutes a day

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I would have lost the same amount of weight I

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do not attribute my first year weight loss to

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anything i did outside of walking because it

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was all futile and like it was just overkill

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i was tired i needed to focus more on meal prep

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oh it was just it was such a waste of time and

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i completely stopped doing most of it halfway

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through and then continued to lose a crazy amount

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of weight yeah that's why they say Well, I can't

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even talk today, man. That's why they say the

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first year is a gift because you could legitimately

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do nothing and you would still lose weight. Is

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that the best thing to do? No. Is that the healthiest

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thing to do? No. Is it recommended? No. But,

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yes, you could sit on your butt one year, post

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-op, and lose weight. Yep. Obviously, we're not

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recommending that. There are people who will

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do that. I don't know. I don't exercise that

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much. And like in the nicest way possible, yoga

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and like even Pilates to an extent. No, Pilates.

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I'm going to throw it in there. Yoga, Pilates.

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They don't consider that strength training because

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it's not. No, no, no. And while it is good for

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movement, flexibility, and it is movement, you

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have to walk. And I know there's going to be

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people going, no, I don't. You do. So like the

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one thing they tell us, the one exercise, please

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walk. And aim for 30 minutes a day. And that's

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it. And it doesn't have to be consecutive 30.

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That was the other thing. I thought everything

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had to be done. And that if I worked out for

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an hour at one time. That was way better. And

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now I have come to the realization. That I walk

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this little goober of a dog. Five times a day.

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And we're over 5k by the end of the day. And

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that's still 5k. Whether I did it in one sitting.

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Or over five walks. You still did it. You still

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did it. I don't think you need to pay for all

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of this stuff and get a gym membership and get

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all this new equipment and sign up for Peloton

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and do all these training courses. In your first

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year, just focus on, can you walk a little every

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day and worry about your meal prepping? Because

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the truth is, neither of us invested in a ton

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of shit in our first year. Like when I got towards

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the end of the first year, I started to think.

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Running might be something I'd like to try. And

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then I researched it before I started, but I

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was not running in my first year, nor was I spinning,

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nor was I doing strength training, which was

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bad. Don't follow. But I wasn't doing like, because

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I tried too much. I tried to do. That's just

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it, right? Too much. Yeah. No, I didn't buy anything.

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Like I said, I was already doing these workouts

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before. So that was it. That was it. I didn't

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buy anything new. I renewed my workout membership.

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But that would have happened anyway. I renewed

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my online workouts. But like I said, I would

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have done that with or without surgery. I think

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the only thing I did was I got an extra set of

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exercise bands. And I've talked about this so

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that like when I'm sitting at my desk, I can,

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if I'm on like a call or whatever, I can do some

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movement that way. But other than that, I didn't

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buy anything. But that was already part of your

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routine. Totally. Keep it simple. Get a nice

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little outdoor workout set, you know, nice pair

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of leggings, a nice t -shirt and some nice shoes.

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Do not break the bank. You don't need hardcore

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running shoes. Get a nice comfortable pair of

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shoes. And then in your first year, honest to

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God, and we're not fucking kidding, just walk

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every day. And it doesn't have to be very simple.

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Go for 15 in the morning and 15 after work. and

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call her a day but yeah this is one that I guess

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we don't debate out no I do not and Steph does

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not believe that you need all this stuff in your

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first year give your body time it also won't

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you're not gonna like lose a stupid crazy amount

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of weight by doing all this at the same time

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either walking will be enough to help you sustain

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where you're going and then by the end of your

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first year I was like Steph you're nearing it

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you feel like I know it's crazy 100 you still

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hate it But, like, you're kind of like, fuck,

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I could kind of. This ain't so bad. Because it's

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easier. Because you're not. Yeah. I'm not carrying

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as much extra weight as I was. My heart's not

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working as much. My lungs aren't working as much.

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My joints are better. Yeah, I still don't like

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it. I still don't wake up being like, yes, I

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get to get up and exercise. Definitely not. But

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it's more bearable. And it's more. Did you know?

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It's more enjoyable at the end. And I think.

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Yeah. And I think about it more in a positive

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way. Like now I'm like, I get kind of bummed

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if the weather shit like it is today and I don't

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do a lunchtime walk. I look forward to things.

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That's my time. Yeah, exactly. It changes. You

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get like when people talk about like runner's

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high or blah, blah, blah high. You kind of don't

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believe that that's a thing because when you're

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obese, like you're basically near death when

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you're done and you're like, fuck the high. I

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think I think I'm having a cardiac arrest. Right.

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You're like, I think I need an ambulance. But

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now I get it because, like, I went for my run

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yesterday. It was not great. My legs were sore.

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My knee hurt. I was like, I don't want to be

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out here. And I was like, oh, my God. But you

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feel so good after. As soon as it was done, I

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was like, I'm going to. And then I came home

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and I cleaned the whole kitchen. Because you

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have so much energy. So much. And then I sat

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down and, like, did all this work. And I was

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like, yo. And then when you get tired at 8 p

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.m., you don't feel like an idiot. You're like,

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yeah, I did a lot today. Because I was productive

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today. which is fun. So you do get there, but

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you're not, you don't get there right away. And

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also, gosh, no, your first year, it's going to

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be easier to find time to just go out for a quick

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walk than it is to like pack everything. Cause

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again, you haven't made this a routine. So it's

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really frustrating when you're trying to balance

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work, a new eating plan, macro counting, all

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this shit. And now, oh my God, I got to a class

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and I got it. Like you'll burn out. And as someone

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who definitely hit a fucking wall last year,

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Like, I was training for a half marathon. I was

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at the gym every single day. I was running three

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days a week. And then in between that, I was

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doing body pump or spin classes. Like, I was

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just go, go, go. And then pneumonia literally

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tried to take me out and kill me. And, like,

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you'd think, well, she was so healthy, though.

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Like, look at all the exercise she was doing.

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She had lost all this weight. No, your body was

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exhausted. Yeah, because I literally worked my

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body so hard that it was like, yo, pneumonia,

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let's fuck with this. And I went down hard and

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you've heard, I sound like a broken record. I'm

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still paying that price. Like I'm still, I still

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am not fully recovered. I'm still having pulmonary

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tests. I'm still struggling with like lung pain

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and exhaustion and dizziness. And like, it sucks

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and it really derails you. But at least at a

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minimum, the one thing I could default to was,

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okay, well, I'm going to go for a walk. Okay.

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I'm going to like, there were moments where I

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cried and I was furious because I had built this.

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ludicrous fucking workout plan that I thought

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I needed to do. And when you get rid of that,

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it's crippling to an extent. And the anxiety

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comes back really hard because you now have nowhere

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to put this energy that you used to be burning

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off every day. But I was like, well, I have walking

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and at least I can just get out and clear my

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head and take the dog. And so I was able to stay

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on track and not lose my weight loss progress

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because. At the end of the day, I was running

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for fun and for me, not for weight loss, because

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I stopped that cadence of three days a week and

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crazy in between workouts. And I didn't balloon

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and gain all my weight back. And after pneumonia,

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I only ate donuts. Doctor recommended, but they

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were like, you need sugar and carbs. Like you

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are quite. Eat something. This is not good. And

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I was like, I could fuck with a Nanaimo bar right

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now. And so like for two days, I ate Nanaimo

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bars at home. I'm like, this is the best day

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of my life. You should get pneumonia more often.

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Walking. Okay, let's debate. Underrated to it.

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The hot, hot, hot topic. Personal trainers. And

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I want to preface this by saying, I mean, absolutely

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no disrespect. It is a reputable business. There

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are some amazing people out there. Please don't

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think that I'm personally calling anyone out

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or doing anything. But here's debate number two.

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Ding, ding. Personal trainers. Are they worth

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it? I'll say for bariatric patients. Yep. In

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the first year. I'll say in the first year because

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what we debated was really like... Oh, in the

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first year? See, so my opinion on them is different

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if we're looking at overall or if we're looking

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at in the first year. Let's do overall then.

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We can do... Oh, overall, 100%. Okay. 100%. Worth

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it. I disagree. Now, the caveat I have is if

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it's the right trainer for you. Not all trainers

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are worth it. Definitely not. Hard pass on that.

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But for me, I had two that were phenomenal that

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I would recommend to anybody any day in a heartbeat.

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I wish I could still work with them 100%. I am

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so thankful and grateful for the time I had with

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the trainers I worked with. in this position

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or be able to have gotten to this position without

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some of the input and support I had from them.

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One in particular, hands down. For sure. So I

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just I also I know him, which is awesome. I know.

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Right. I owe a shit ton to him. And I mean, he's

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a pretty incredible person. I fall in the category

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of I. I do not think that they are worth it.

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And this is just from my own personal experience.

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While I was obese, I had multiple personal trainers

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from various places. Yes, I've tried the shitty

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ones from the gym. I'm sorry. I've had professional

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trainers. I've had at -home trainers. I've gone

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to special private gyms with trainers. I just

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genuinely think it's such a fucking waste of

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money for people that they could invest in other

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places like doing online. Like I love the, we're

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not sponsored by body, but like I love the body,

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like access to those online classes. I think

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those are really cool and worth investing in.

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My struggle is a personal training is ludicrously

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priced. I remember in my early 20s paying $600

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a month for personal training, which I could

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have invested in a bike. in in like a running

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club in the area I lived in um I just struggle

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because a in order to see personal training work

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you still need a gym membership on top of it

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because most people are going to their trainer

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twice a week because it's you can't afford every

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single day you just like that's that's so expensive

00:24:06.849 --> 00:24:09.210
it is expensive yeah and two personal training

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sessions a week is not going to do enough for

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you if you just do the training and then go home

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and do nothing which A lot of people do, right?

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A lot of people. Yes. No, it needs to be. If

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you're only seeing them. So I saw mine once a

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week and then my workouts got programmed into

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an app and I would go to the gym and do that.

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And I think I was spending probably around 300

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bucks a month on it. For me, it was accountability

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and support. And I'm just the kind of person

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that I need. And that's why I love the body stuff

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that I'm doing now because I have a community.

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I have a group. We do workouts. We do all that

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stuff. For me, it really was I need accountability.

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Number one, I need somebody to teach me what

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to do because I need a foundation. Number two,

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I needed that accountability. I needed somebody

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to. we'll say monitor me and check in on me and

00:25:01.089 --> 00:25:03.170
kick my ass if I wasn't doing what I was supposed

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to be doing. And I needed that support, right?

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I needed somebody because I'm the kind of person

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I need positive affirmation. That's just who

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I am. I need somebody to tell me I'm doing a

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good job. And so all of those things for me.

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Or what I found now, like this trainer, like,

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like you said, you know him too. He's just a

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phenomenal human being. But I saw him also every

00:25:26.069 --> 00:25:28.529
day at work, which was part of it. And I think

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that also made a difference because he, I had

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to be accountable to him, not just at his gym,

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but also when he would see me in line at lunch

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or he would see me at my desk. And was I having

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a bowl of chips or was I having a fruit? his

00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:49.839
person now for him for me it was his the accountability

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the fact that um I just knew I had him as support

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and I knew he was checking in on me and keeping

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me in line and in check because I'm the kind

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of person this is why I got to where I was that

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if I didn't have that accountability and if I

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didn't have because I didn't have it to myself

00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:08.859
I wasn't accountable to myself I clearly or I

00:26:08.859 --> 00:26:10.759
wouldn't have been in the position I was in um

00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.480
I needed that person to keep me in check and

00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:18.539
so that combined with teaching me what I needed

00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:21.539
to know, having that one -on -one time and just

00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:25.039
him being a phenomenal trainer, I saw results

00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.819
with him. And then COVID hit and we couldn't

00:26:27.819 --> 00:26:29.819
do workouts because of COVID. And then we moved

00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:33.420
and then shocker, I put the weight back on. So

00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:35.500
I think, yeah, like for me, just based on my

00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:38.500
personality, based on his demeanor, the kind

00:26:38.500 --> 00:26:41.940
of trainer he was, for me, I found it so incredibly

00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:44.180
invaluable. And just the things he taught me

00:26:44.180 --> 00:26:48.670
about myself. The the real life wake up calls

00:26:48.670 --> 00:26:51.950
that he gave me are things that I still. Yeah,

00:26:52.049 --> 00:26:56.809
that I still look back on today and I still incorporate

00:26:56.809 --> 00:26:59.910
into my day to day. And I don't disagree that

00:26:59.910 --> 00:27:01.990
like a lot of people need accountability. And

00:27:01.990 --> 00:27:04.450
I like that was one reason I went to personal

00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:07.930
training was I wasn't going to the gym and I

00:27:07.930 --> 00:27:09.670
felt like I didn't know what I was doing at the

00:27:09.670 --> 00:27:12.089
gym. And so my personal trainer will give me

00:27:12.089 --> 00:27:16.210
a plan and help me get there faster. I injured

00:27:16.210 --> 00:27:18.750
myself quite badly with a personal trainer. I

00:27:18.750 --> 00:27:20.809
was doing deadlifts, came up through my back

00:27:20.809 --> 00:27:23.589
out. That took years. Like I still have, there

00:27:23.589 --> 00:27:26.450
are, there are benefits. Like, don't get me wrong.

00:27:26.549 --> 00:27:29.759
However, I. I'd say even the two years before

00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.559
surgery where I was seeing a personal trainer

00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.039
two days a week and I did have a little gym membership

00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:36.880
and I was like, I just felt like the money I

00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.460
was spending and what we were like, I wasn't

00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:41.859
seeing the results. Now, part of that is on me.

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.940
There was probably a lot more I needed to do

00:27:43.940 --> 00:27:46.900
outside of it. But I think a lot of people fall

00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:49.859
into two categories where. Yes, they do have

00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:51.559
the time to go to the gym every single day in

00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.960
between personal training. But I think more,

00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.920
the vast majority, are looking for training to

00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.940
kind of be that really hard workout they get

00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:01.799
twice a week. And then in between, they'll maybe

00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.900
walk. And the thing was, walking and personal

00:28:04.900 --> 00:28:09.150
training wasn't doing fuck all for me. believe

00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:10.990
that if I just invested that money elsewhere

00:28:10.990 --> 00:28:14.089
and just walked every single fucking day I would

00:28:14.089 --> 00:28:16.890
have seen better results I fall into the category

00:28:16.890 --> 00:28:19.450
of if you're this is the debate now I remember

00:28:19.450 --> 00:28:22.170
if you're morbidly obese I do not think you need

00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:25.509
a personal trainer at all I think personal trainers

00:28:25.509 --> 00:28:29.069
are better suited for post weight loss conditioning

00:28:29.069 --> 00:28:32.470
you want to get your muscle mass back you want

00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:35.269
to start building stronger muscles and legs I

00:28:35.269 --> 00:28:39.109
I still I struggle to say that personal trainers

00:28:39.109 --> 00:28:41.829
will help you lose weight I think in your first

00:28:41.829 --> 00:28:44.650
year at a minimum no I don't think in your first

00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:46.369
year you should be paying for a trainer I think

00:28:46.369 --> 00:28:48.569
you should just be out walking and then I think

00:28:48.569 --> 00:28:51.470
once you've hit where you want to be I think

00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:53.369
maybe a trainer would be really great to build

00:28:53.369 --> 00:28:56.029
a strength program for you to help you really

00:28:56.029 --> 00:28:58.950
figure out like how to my arms are flabby how

00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:01.089
do I build muscle in my arm how do I strengthen

00:29:01.089 --> 00:29:03.450
my leg I don't think you need them in the first

00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:07.470
year in post -bariatric First year, no. I don't

00:29:07.470 --> 00:29:10.910
see the need for a personal trainer in this first

00:29:10.910 --> 00:29:12.869
year. Like you said, if I were to go back to

00:29:12.869 --> 00:29:16.910
a trainer, it would be after the first year.

00:29:16.970 --> 00:29:19.890
Then when I want to start working on more toning,

00:29:19.890 --> 00:29:22.349
more actual hardcore strength, if I want to get

00:29:22.349 --> 00:29:24.849
back into more heavy lifting, if I want that

00:29:24.849 --> 00:29:28.960
kind of stuff. But first year, no. and it was

00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.640
hard like the trainer I had during my first year

00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.700
like it was difficult like I sweat a lot it was

00:29:34.700 --> 00:29:36.779
whoa I felt really good but then I just kept

00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:41.759
thinking I'm not seeing toning results or like

00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.539
I because that was the big thing when I was seeing

00:29:43.539 --> 00:29:45.420
a trainer in my first year I was like I want

00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.019
to avoid as much loose skin as possible let's

00:29:48.019 --> 00:29:50.720
work on toning and I just remember kind of one

00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.140
day going holy fuck why am I spending 600 plus

00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:57.519
dollars a month like it was definitely more than

00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.539
that because it was two sessions a week and each

00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:02.500
session was like 85 bucks so it was like it was

00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:05.160
a lot that's crazy I was like on top of the gym

00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.859
membership on top like maybe I just need to be

00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:10.740
walking and losing the weight and I could do

00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:13.720
this at home and that like when it comes to being

00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.559
morbidly obese I I think it was such a waste

00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.299
of my fucking money to have paid for that. I

00:30:20.299 --> 00:30:21.900
think that what I really should have invested

00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:24.259
in was like a therapist that focused on food

00:30:24.259 --> 00:30:26.920
addiction. I could have focused on a dietician.

00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:29.759
I should like, I'm not trying to say there's

00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:31.619
not a world where personal trainers are really

00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:34.440
important. They are, but what I'm trying or where

00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.839
I fall in the debate is I think there's many

00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:38.440
other things that you need to invest your money

00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.480
into fix first and training. Cause if you are

00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.839
like I was. You were not committed to the rest

00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.500
of that. You did not know how to meal prep. You

00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.940
were not working out every single day. And it's

00:30:48.940 --> 00:30:51.559
like sometimes it's too much. Like your workouts

00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.500
are so fucking intense that you literally can't

00:30:54.500 --> 00:30:58.000
do anything the next day or two. Totally. A trainer

00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.299
going, you know, all we need to do is go out

00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:02.440
and let's go for a hardcore walk for 30 minutes

00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.339
and then we'll do some like bicep and shoulder

00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:06.650
work. Right. And that's why I think we said like

00:31:06.650 --> 00:31:09.369
everybody's everybody's preferences are different.

00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:11.470
Your needs are different. Your past experiences

00:31:11.470 --> 00:31:13.789
are different. So you have to find what works

00:31:13.789 --> 00:31:15.930
for you. Right. And you can't just say, well,

00:31:15.990 --> 00:31:17.609
this is what this person did and this is what

00:31:17.609 --> 00:31:20.630
this influencer did. Great. That doesn't mean

00:31:20.630 --> 00:31:23.470
it's going to be what motivates you and what

00:31:23.470 --> 00:31:27.049
fuels you and what gets you going. Because you're

00:31:27.049 --> 00:31:29.569
and I posted about this this morning a little

00:31:29.569 --> 00:31:32.349
bit in a reel, but like your why. And what you

00:31:32.349 --> 00:31:35.250
need to empower you is going to be different

00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:37.589
than everyone else, right? So as you can see,

00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:41.029
like Hannah and personal trainers, not happening.

00:31:41.369 --> 00:31:44.269
Steph and personal trainers, potentially good.

00:31:44.390 --> 00:31:47.569
If I lived near this old trainer, once I get

00:31:47.569 --> 00:31:50.250
past my first year, I would hands down go back

00:31:50.250 --> 00:31:52.309
and work with him. But again, we have different

00:31:52.309 --> 00:31:55.390
things that fuel us. We've had different experiences.

00:31:55.490 --> 00:31:59.329
We have different motivations, right? Everybody's

00:31:59.329 --> 00:32:02.230
view is different in general. So that's why we

00:32:02.230 --> 00:32:04.470
always say when it comes to anything we talk

00:32:04.470 --> 00:32:07.230
about on this podcast, do your research, ask

00:32:07.230 --> 00:32:10.109
the questions, and do what works for you. There

00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:11.690
are certain things, like we've said, movement

00:32:11.690 --> 00:32:15.109
is a non -negotiable. But how you do that movement,

00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:17.329
where you get that movement from, what type of

00:32:17.329 --> 00:32:19.289
movement you do, that's going to vary from person

00:32:19.289 --> 00:32:22.529
to person. Even Hannah and I don't like the same

00:32:22.529 --> 00:32:24.710
types of movement all the time. Like, I had to

00:32:24.710 --> 00:32:28.119
jog beside my kids last night. Now, granted,

00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.980
I was wearing healed blunt stones on a gravel

00:32:30.980 --> 00:32:34.440
road. Not ideal. But I had to jog beside my children

00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.480
yesterday. And all I kept thinking was, shoot

00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.880
me in the face. This sucks. But they were having

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.900
so much fun. So I did it. Meanwhile, there's

00:32:43.900 --> 00:32:47.500
Hannah that's like, let's go run 5K. So we're

00:32:47.500 --> 00:32:51.500
going to be different. And that's fine. Where

00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:56.259
we align is in walking. Neither of us. movement

00:32:56.259 --> 00:32:59.160
movement by each other on this yeah hard pass

00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:03.019
no walking at a minimum walking minimum that's

00:33:03.019 --> 00:33:04.799
all that like honestly at the end of the day

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.039
if we fought about everything else about strength

00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:11.200
versus not all that we we fall into the please

00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.440
try to move every day yeah and there are certain

00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.880
non -negotiables and that's one that we agree

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.480
on but yes you're you've nailed it My experience

00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.539
different than your experience. There's people

00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:23.339
out there who've had exceptional experiences

00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:26.059
and personal training is accountability and just

00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:28.779
makes sense. I think what I prefer is more like

00:33:28.779 --> 00:33:31.099
running groups or like groups that I can join

00:33:31.099 --> 00:33:33.759
that help me stay accountable. But I also like,

00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.220
would I try your trainer? Yeah, I would actually,

00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:39.700
because I, you know, but I now know more about

00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:42.559
asking the right questions and saying, this is

00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.900
what I want versus just them going. do this and

00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:48.980
do this and i don't want to go to a personal

00:33:48.980 --> 00:33:51.319
training session and feel like i've i have to

00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.380
literally give 150 of my energy to finish exactly

00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:59.279
that's not okay i want slow controlled yeah you

00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.240
know weight lifting i don't want hit crossfit

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.660
let's go i'll go sweat till i feel like i'm gonna

00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:08.559
faint um i know more now than i did then but

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.389
yeah i still fall in If you're morbidly obese,

00:34:11.590 --> 00:34:13.250
I don't know if I'm going to change my mind on

00:34:13.250 --> 00:34:16.769
you needing it. But I think where I agree that

00:34:16.769 --> 00:34:19.869
they make sense is when you're looking for that

00:34:19.869 --> 00:34:24.070
toning, that structure. I don't think I see them

00:34:24.070 --> 00:34:28.750
as the weight loss answer. I see them as you've

00:34:28.750 --> 00:34:31.349
kind of handled some other aspects first and

00:34:31.349 --> 00:34:35.739
the money is better invested in. a good therapist

00:34:35.739 --> 00:34:39.480
for food addiction a good dietician a naturopath

00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.039
like other things and then a personal trainer

00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.960
comes when you've got the rest figured and you

00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.420
know comes to build a plan for you versus just

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:49.519
I think that was the problem I had with the one

00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.000
trainer I kind of felt like where the fuck are

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.239
these moves coming from like why are we doing

00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.960
some of these things yeah it just didn't feel

00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.380
like a I wasn't enjoying it as much as I should

00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:02.679
not that you're going to be like but I would

00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.980
at times be like, no, I don't like this. Like,

00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:07.780
I don't feel like this is doing anything for

00:35:07.780 --> 00:35:09.719
me. My muscles are not activated the way that

00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:11.559
you keep saying they should be. And some of the

00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:13.400
moves I was like, no, my back is going to get

00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.139
really fucked up from this. And I'm not doing

00:35:15.139 --> 00:35:19.079
this. No, and it just wasn't for. Yeah. It's

00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.119
like, and that's what like the fit is important

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.760
too. Right. And I was just like, not every trainer

00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.280
is going to work for everybody. Right. Some people

00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:29.119
don't like that. I don't say mushy, but like

00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:35.260
I had a good mix of. pulling me aside and giving

00:35:35.260 --> 00:35:38.599
me a very blunt, like no Steph, shut up and do

00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.579
this because you have no choice mixed with the,

00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.119
let's take a minute, calm yourselves. Let's have

00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.559
a chat for a sec. Like what's going on and mix

00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.980
of the two. Right. And again, like not everybody's

00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:52.480
going to fit with everybody. Everybody likes

00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.900
different styles and that's fine. So at the end

00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:59.480
of the day, keep it simple, set yourself up to

00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.619
succeed. Don't go balls to the wall and just

00:36:02.619 --> 00:36:06.599
start with small movement and build from there.

00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.940
You have time. So start small, set yourself up

00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:14.599
for success and then go. Yeah. Don't just dump

00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.300
a ton of money into things right off the bat

00:36:16.300 --> 00:36:18.860
because what you want to do eventually will find

00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:23.260
you and you don't need to do everything all at

00:36:23.260 --> 00:36:25.320
once. So no, this was a very good, healthy debate.

00:36:25.539 --> 00:36:27.139
As you can see, like we're different people,

00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:29.750
but we do agree on a lot. And I think it's good

00:36:29.750 --> 00:36:31.650
to talk about these things and get them out there.

00:36:31.750 --> 00:36:33.389
So we're going to continue to debate things and

00:36:33.389 --> 00:36:36.309
you let us know what it is you want us to debate

00:36:36.309 --> 00:36:37.809
and beat up and talk about. And like we said

00:36:37.809 --> 00:36:39.849
at the beginning, we're going to just start recapping

00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:42.090
our week and how it relates to bariatric surgery

00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:43.789
and what worked and what didn't work and our

00:36:43.789 --> 00:36:45.889
struggles and what we learned and overcame. So

00:36:45.889 --> 00:36:47.769
these are going to get really conversational

00:36:47.769 --> 00:36:51.030
and personal soon. But like always, thank you

00:36:51.030 --> 00:36:53.010
all for listening and reaching out and messaging

00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:55.690
us. We frigging love responding to your messages.

00:36:56.650 --> 00:36:59.480
Totally. And Steph, thank you for joining me

00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.460
on another episode. Anytime. I'll be back next

00:37:03.460 --> 00:37:06.460
week. See you next week, everybody. Bye, guys.